Interesting the amount of blaming going on, but really, does everyone do exactly the right thing all the time? I scan, but occasionally realize I forgot one place and it's too late to go back, and just hope it's OK.
I'm sure the young fellow who went to the gym weighed up the odds and thought "Nah, she'll be right!" like a lot of the millenials who use public transport but pull their masks down to shout into their phones.
We'll get through, again, and perhaps there'll be a higher rate of compliance, and in the end, the virus just sits there waiting for a fail. So washing hands, wearing masks, keeping your distance is still the best way to keep safe.
Just a small comment because I too sometimes forget to scan - everything looks so normal in my hood so I lose the emergency vibe... but you can enter it manually and estimate the time. As long as it's in the record, the exact time is less important.
I’ve been an inveterate scanner but can I say without question that I have on every occasion abided by the rules that have applied at whatever level? No I can’t but nothing bad has resulted. Probably shows that the relative risk was very low anyway but that’s what everyone thinks of their own situation.
I’m trying hard to figure out where I stand on taking the hard, punitive line and the compassionate line. With case M, it was any one of the arrogance of youth believing he was invulnerable, selfishness, pure stupidity, or otherwise just defiance - the rules are for others. Anyone of them is hard to defend and there should be consequences that flow from poor or stupid choices. Other times it is much less clear cut and people take certain actions, believing the risk to be very low but things then turn to custard. I know we don’t want to create a climate of fear where people are afraid to be honest about what they’ve done or failed to do but we also know the reason we have laws and that they are enforced is because that it is what it takes for enough people in our society to act reasonably and responsibly and so keep us all safe.
It isn't easy is it? 'm tending towards a ticking off by Police and/or Ministry of Health in person and not publically or perhaps with the family present to witness it. A sort of education process I think. If the person does it again then maybe punitive measures...
It sounds like retribution to me. I see shaming having no value except reducing the mana of the person who made a mistake and their family even further. Surely they will push back as a result and be less likely to support government requirements in future?
When a mother defies isolation instructions (during the 72 hour level 3) and contracts covid from another family, lies to contract tracers about it, infects her son who waits some days after symptoms to be tested then goes to gym instead of isolating - hitting NZ economy for $60M+ per day & stressing thousands of families & businesses, shame has power and it can burn well enough. In some cultures life or limb would be forfeit.
I wonder if in place of punishment, a restorative justice programme is of value. It would both support those who err and their families to regain their mana while contributing back to community by work to be done, and it will support those who believe in accountability.
There but for the grace of luck go many who have not followed the guidelines but got away with it. It seems that at every stage over the past year we have had some stuff-up come along to galvanise the conversation, raise awareness and thus improve collective behaviour. It's that old tried-and-true evolution process called trial-and-error.
Dwight Yoakam....."Guitars Cadillacs (Hillbilly Music)". Google it. So beautiful it facilitates the country music lover marvelling guilt-free at the massive gulf between their politics and their music.
Ok, it happened and the only thing the government can really do about it is reconsider the messaging, how it is distributed - maybe time for another ad campaign (the COVID-19 You Dick! ads were great)?. And what the rest of us can do is follow the rules we know. If everyone else did that, these kinds of breaches would have little overall impact.
I really liked this piece by Siouxsie Wiles about where to direct our anger, if we're feeling so inclined.
"At the press conference last night, it was also revealed that case M went for a Covid test and then went to the gym despite being told to isolate. I know lots of people will be angry at this. It’s very, very frustrating when people don’t follow the rules. But here’s the thing. For about the last year, we’ve had people with medical doctors and people with PhDs telling young people they have nothing to fear from Covid-19 and should in fact be allowed to get on with their lives. Do not underestimate the impact these messages will have had on some people.
Here in NZ, it’s the Plan B academics and their supporters, including the head of Blackland PR. Internationally it’s the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration. They’ve been cherry picking evidence to argue that the pandemic should be managed by the herd-immunity-by-infection route. At its worst, young people around the world are being told that them getting infected is how we get herd immunity. As far as I’m concerned that’s bollocks. But the message that we need to “learn to live with the virus” has been spread far and wide, especially on social media. Some are even engaging with people spreading conspiracy theories and anti-vaccination propaganda."
Interesting the amount of blaming going on, but really, does everyone do exactly the right thing all the time? I scan, but occasionally realize I forgot one place and it's too late to go back, and just hope it's OK.
I'm sure the young fellow who went to the gym weighed up the odds and thought "Nah, she'll be right!" like a lot of the millenials who use public transport but pull their masks down to shout into their phones.
We'll get through, again, and perhaps there'll be a higher rate of compliance, and in the end, the virus just sits there waiting for a fail. So washing hands, wearing masks, keeping your distance is still the best way to keep safe.
Just a small comment because I too sometimes forget to scan - everything looks so normal in my hood so I lose the emergency vibe... but you can enter it manually and estimate the time. As long as it's in the record, the exact time is less important.
I’ve been an inveterate scanner but can I say without question that I have on every occasion abided by the rules that have applied at whatever level? No I can’t but nothing bad has resulted. Probably shows that the relative risk was very low anyway but that’s what everyone thinks of their own situation.
I’m trying hard to figure out where I stand on taking the hard, punitive line and the compassionate line. With case M, it was any one of the arrogance of youth believing he was invulnerable, selfishness, pure stupidity, or otherwise just defiance - the rules are for others. Anyone of them is hard to defend and there should be consequences that flow from poor or stupid choices. Other times it is much less clear cut and people take certain actions, believing the risk to be very low but things then turn to custard. I know we don’t want to create a climate of fear where people are afraid to be honest about what they’ve done or failed to do but we also know the reason we have laws and that they are enforced is because that it is what it takes for enough people in our society to act reasonably and responsibly and so keep us all safe.
It isn't easy is it? 'm tending towards a ticking off by Police and/or Ministry of Health in person and not publically or perhaps with the family present to witness it. A sort of education process I think. If the person does it again then maybe punitive measures...
Can't disagree with any of that. I feel a very heavy dose of shaming without any public naming would be both deserved and just.
It sounds like retribution to me. I see shaming having no value except reducing the mana of the person who made a mistake and their family even further. Surely they will push back as a result and be less likely to support government requirements in future?
When a mother defies isolation instructions (during the 72 hour level 3) and contracts covid from another family, lies to contract tracers about it, infects her son who waits some days after symptoms to be tested then goes to gym instead of isolating - hitting NZ economy for $60M+ per day & stressing thousands of families & businesses, shame has power and it can burn well enough. In some cultures life or limb would be forfeit.
I wonder if in place of punishment, a restorative justice programme is of value. It would both support those who err and their families to regain their mana while contributing back to community by work to be done, and it will support those who believe in accountability.
Great suggestion Jane
There but for the grace of luck go many who have not followed the guidelines but got away with it. It seems that at every stage over the past year we have had some stuff-up come along to galvanise the conversation, raise awareness and thus improve collective behaviour. It's that old tried-and-true evolution process called trial-and-error.
Should every error result in a trial?
Totally agree!
No probably not, thank heaven *speaking for a friend*
Dwight Yoakam....."Guitars Cadillacs (Hillbilly Music)". Google it. So beautiful it facilitates the country music lover marvelling guilt-free at the massive gulf between their politics and their music.
Love that song - Dwight really had the hair going on back then!
Ok, it happened and the only thing the government can really do about it is reconsider the messaging, how it is distributed - maybe time for another ad campaign (the COVID-19 You Dick! ads were great)?. And what the rest of us can do is follow the rules we know. If everyone else did that, these kinds of breaches would have little overall impact.
It's hard......whatever the responses let us pray that they do not foment another detestable Karen from Australia
I really liked this piece by Siouxsie Wiles about where to direct our anger, if we're feeling so inclined.
"At the press conference last night, it was also revealed that case M went for a Covid test and then went to the gym despite being told to isolate. I know lots of people will be angry at this. It’s very, very frustrating when people don’t follow the rules. But here’s the thing. For about the last year, we’ve had people with medical doctors and people with PhDs telling young people they have nothing to fear from Covid-19 and should in fact be allowed to get on with their lives. Do not underestimate the impact these messages will have had on some people.
Here in NZ, it’s the Plan B academics and their supporters, including the head of Blackland PR. Internationally it’s the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration. They’ve been cherry picking evidence to argue that the pandemic should be managed by the herd-immunity-by-infection route. At its worst, young people around the world are being told that them getting infected is how we get herd immunity. As far as I’m concerned that’s bollocks. But the message that we need to “learn to live with the virus” has been spread far and wide, especially on social media. Some are even engaging with people spreading conspiracy theories and anti-vaccination propaganda."
https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/28-02-2021/siouxsie-wiles-why-this-new-case-means-level-three-and-please-dont-misdirect-your-anger/