Hang up on him David, just stop

There is a story I want to tell, but I'm not going to begin with it because it would be too abrupt. 

I'll start by telling you that I'm a big fan of the way Nicola Toki conveys her message. And Nicola Toki is a big fan of the way Jane Goodall conveys hers.

Nicola Toki is chief executive of Forest and Bird, Jane Goodall is the world famous primatologist, a…